1 00:00:11,430 --> 00:00:07,679 the oldest and strongest human emotion 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:11,440 is fear the oldest and strongest type of 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:15,970 fear is trepidation of young when we 4 00:00:22,529 --> 00:00:18,610 were children our parents told us that 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:22,539 monsters didn't exist but we were sure 6 00:00:26,540 --> 00:00:25,210 that something has recommended a better 7 00:00:31,279 --> 00:00:26,550 in the closet 8 00:00:35,010 --> 00:00:31,289 beer sees even if our eyes are closed 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:35,020 welcome to the realm of your cane my 10 00:00:40,889 --> 00:00:38,050 name is lawn stripper join me as I 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:40,899 examine unexplained creatures strange 12 00:00:48,540 --> 00:00:45,210 manifestations and remarkable realities 13 00:00:51,810 --> 00:00:48,550 imagine this next hour as a voyage of 14 00:00:54,690 --> 00:00:51,820 discovered to strange lands seeking not 15 00:00:57,990 --> 00:00:54,700 for new territory but for new knowledge 16 00:01:00,910 --> 00:00:58,000 of the supernatural come on board as we 17 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:00,920 begin this adventure together 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:09,010 a first good evening and welcome to 19 00:01:13,330 --> 00:01:11,690 another episode of arcane rio where we 20 00:01:15,190 --> 00:01:13,340 explore the unexplained here on the 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:15,200 paranormal king radio network 22 00:01:20,290 --> 00:01:17,690 I'm your host lawn Strickler coming to 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:20,300 you with in a cannon shot of historic 24 00:01:24,370 --> 00:01:21,770 Gettysburg in the cryptid mecca of 25 00:01:27,250 --> 00:01:24,380 Pennsylvania I thank you for joining me 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:27,260 now tonight's scheduled guest 27 00:01:34,030 --> 00:01:30,370 Ronnie LeBlanc couldn't make it tonight 28 00:01:37,630 --> 00:01:34,040 unfortunately he he got stuck at JFK in 29 00:01:40,980 --> 00:01:37,640 New York City while doing a promo for 30 00:01:43,150 --> 00:01:40,990 his upcoming show expedition Bigfoot and 31 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:43,160 I don't know what happened but his 32 00:01:47,890 --> 00:01:45,740 flight got canceled and as of now he's 33 00:01:49,870 --> 00:01:47,900 still sitting there I don't think he's 34 00:01:53,469 --> 00:01:49,880 gonna get back to Boston till about 9:30 35 00:01:56,230 --> 00:01:53,479 so we had to postpone his appearance 36 00:01:59,020 --> 00:01:56,240 this evening but I promise you we will 37 00:02:01,930 --> 00:01:59,030 definitely get him back on the show but 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:01,940 instead we have my friend colleague 39 00:02:09,609 --> 00:02:06,890 butch Witkowski so hey butch thanks for 40 00:02:10,690 --> 00:02:09,619 coming on man Oh anytime you know that 41 00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:10,700 yeah I do 42 00:02:20,949 --> 00:02:16,640 you're my good old standby you know 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:20,959 folks like many you probably know the 44 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:23,810 the Phantom's of Boston 14 research team 45 00:02:28,870 --> 00:02:26,930 has been gathering many more these 46 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:28,880 winged humanoid reports throughout the 47 00:02:35,410 --> 00:02:31,970 Chicagoland area including a new 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:35,420 sighting at O'Hare International Airport 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:43,370 at the neap on cargo area so you know 50 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:46,970 currently we have solar reports which I 51 00:02:51,370 --> 00:02:48,590 believe is current the current numbers 52 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:51,380 for that need to be followed up with 53 00:02:57,220 --> 00:02:54,590 interviews now as soon as we do so the 54 00:02:59,440 --> 00:02:57,230 information will be posted on the fans 55 00:03:04,210 --> 00:02:59,450 of monsters blog at fans of monsters 56 00:03:06,729 --> 00:03:04,220 calm so I mean I don't know what why 57 00:03:09,310 --> 00:03:06,739 we're getting all this butch but it just 58 00:03:11,380 --> 00:03:09,320 seems all of a sudden this thing has 59 00:03:14,670 --> 00:03:11,390 picked up again in past month and a half 60 00:03:17,350 --> 00:03:14,680 and it's getting a little weird 61 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:17,360 well yeah I especially the guys 62 00:03:23,740 --> 00:03:19,490 description of the thing is a demon 63 00:03:25,870 --> 00:03:23,750 you know I you know I did that just you 64 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:25,880 know sometimes it's hard for me to wrap 65 00:03:34,870 --> 00:03:30,770 my head around some descriptions but now 66 00:03:37,540 --> 00:03:34,880 we as far as the bipedal z-- you know 67 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:37,550 are we'll be down now for the winner and 68 00:03:41,140 --> 00:03:39,770 I did a lot of that too nobody's really 69 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:41,150 out there and it's not walking around 70 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:42,410 because there's woods are full of 71 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:45,920 hunters and everything right now but we 72 00:03:53,830 --> 00:03:48,110 should pick up with them again probably 73 00:03:55,450 --> 00:03:53,840 in march/april again but well you know 74 00:03:56,650 --> 00:03:55,460 it's kind of funny how things are 75 00:04:00,340 --> 00:03:56,660 running this year because some things 76 00:04:02,890 --> 00:04:00,350 are up some things are down like for 77 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:02,900 November there were only 400 UFO reports 78 00:04:09,330 --> 00:04:06,110 for the whole the whole country was you 79 00:04:11,950 --> 00:04:09,340 telling me that that is awful or 80 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:11,960 somewhere only I think for Pennsylvania 81 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:15,110 there were eight that's that's crazy 82 00:04:21,340 --> 00:04:18,610 yeah I mean you know you know California 83 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:21,350 California and Texas make up over 400 a 84 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:23,990 month but that's when that was for the 85 00:04:30,130 --> 00:04:26,090 whole county and and a lot of the 86 00:04:33,190 --> 00:04:30,140 sightings not many cryptic cryptid 87 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:33,200 sightings some were just you know you 88 00:04:37,150 --> 00:04:36,170 know there's misinformation or and I'm 89 00:04:38,470 --> 00:04:37,160 not saying I'm not saying they're 90 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:38,480 disinformation but I'm sure they're 91 00:04:48,550 --> 00:04:42,910 misinformation or or a misidentification 92 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:48,560 but there are a lot of weird paranormal 93 00:04:55,590 --> 00:04:50,900 stuff going on especially down south a 94 00:04:58,450 --> 00:04:55,600 couple of stuff I picked up one and it's 95 00:05:02,980 --> 00:04:58,460 it's just like this whole year has been 96 00:05:04,210 --> 00:05:02,990 just weird not following normally what 97 00:05:05,830 --> 00:05:04,220 we're used to where you know you're 98 00:05:08,350 --> 00:05:05,840 getting one or two or three or maybe 99 00:05:10,690 --> 00:05:08,360 more reports a day or every couple days 100 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:10,700 and they're they encompass everything 101 00:05:15,970 --> 00:05:12,590 you know they encompass the bipedal they 102 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:15,980 encompass cryptids Bigfoot strange 103 00:05:20,350 --> 00:05:17,810 things in the sky strange paranormal 104 00:05:22,350 --> 00:05:20,360 happenings the winged creatures and 105 00:05:26,970 --> 00:05:22,360 stuff like that are the only ones that 106 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:26,980 seemed to have stayed right up to par 107 00:05:33,050 --> 00:05:31,930 yeah and you know because of some of the 108 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:33,060 numbers 109 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:35,690 sightings especially down in the south 110 00:05:40,940 --> 00:05:38,160 I've been getting a fair amount of 111 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:40,950 Bigfoot sightings down in Mississippi 112 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:45,450 down along the Gulf Coast so I I decided 113 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:49,560 that we really started we really needed 114 00:05:56,450 --> 00:05:52,500 to start getting more reliable 115 00:06:00,290 --> 00:05:56,460 investigators on the ground so the fans 116 00:06:04,460 --> 00:06:00,300 of monsters 14 research team is 117 00:06:06,980 --> 00:06:04,470 expanding we did expand one more 118 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:06,990 individual here in Pennsylvania we have 119 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:09,570 another one who we are talking to in 120 00:06:16,159 --> 00:06:13,530 Northeast Pennsylvania we added the 121 00:06:20,659 --> 00:06:16,169 gentleman down in central Mississippi by 122 00:06:23,050 --> 00:06:20,669 the name of Marcus Ellis and Jack Harry 123 00:06:27,170 --> 00:06:23,060 it was pretty well known among 124 00:06:30,050 --> 00:06:27,180 cryptozoologist and who's from Denver or 125 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:30,060 lives in Denver he he has agreed to join 126 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:34,080 us and our friend Manuel Nava Rhett is 127 00:06:40,340 --> 00:06:37,620 now part of the team as well so we 128 00:06:43,870 --> 00:06:40,350 pretty well got you know Chicago covered 129 00:06:48,590 --> 00:06:43,880 you know we had Tobias and and Vance and 130 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:48,600 now we have Manuel up there so we have 131 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:50,970 that area pretty well covered but then 132 00:06:55,370 --> 00:06:52,560 again you know I don't know how many 133 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:55,380 more people we're gonna bring in you 134 00:07:01,370 --> 00:06:57,810 know I have we also had Danielle Claire 135 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:01,380 who's down in Central Florida but she 136 00:07:07,370 --> 00:07:03,530 can cover a few other areas down there 137 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:07,380 so we might get another researcher down 138 00:07:14,570 --> 00:07:12,060 south and probably I'm trying to get 139 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:14,580 some people down in Texas and I got 140 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:16,770 somebody I'm looking for they're looking 141 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:20,010 at in the Four Corners area as well 142 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:22,650 since you know a friend JC there's no 143 00:07:28,610 --> 00:07:26,039 longer with us so you know there's a lot 144 00:07:31,370 --> 00:07:28,620 been going on down there again I've been 145 00:07:35,420 --> 00:07:31,380 getting a lot of reports off of the 146 00:07:42,710 --> 00:07:35,430 reservation in fact I got a really 147 00:07:45,290 --> 00:07:42,720 bizarre boneyard report and in pine 148 00:07:46,230 --> 00:07:45,300 Springs in Arizona which is on the 149 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:46,240 resident 150 00:07:52,379 --> 00:07:49,210 Danae Inaba reservation just the other 151 00:07:54,990 --> 00:07:52,389 day and we're trying to fungi try to 152 00:07:58,379 --> 00:07:55,000 follow up on that so yeah things are 153 00:07:59,610 --> 00:07:58,389 pretty busy but like this thing with the 154 00:08:05,059 --> 00:07:59,620 UFOs that's bizarre 155 00:08:07,740 --> 00:08:05,069 that is very bizarre yeah that's low I 156 00:08:10,770 --> 00:08:07,750 just can't even remember a year where we 157 00:08:12,990 --> 00:08:10,780 had that low in a month I'm sure there 158 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:13,000 was but I just can't remember any I mean 159 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:15,490 that's that's extremely low but there 160 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:22,479 are we have you know some different 161 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:25,690 types of things that we want to try this 162 00:08:36,329 --> 00:08:32,649 year when we go out a lot of these I was 163 00:08:38,310 --> 00:08:36,339 I did up I did a mapping of the bipedal 164 00:08:41,209 --> 00:08:38,320 sightings and they're in the 165 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:41,219 relationship to their distance to caves 166 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:44,860 or a band abandoned towns and then feel 167 00:08:49,380 --> 00:08:46,330 Pennsylvania were loaded with that stuff 168 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:49,390 oh yeah a lot of ran yeah and you know 169 00:08:53,699 --> 00:08:52,720 out of the 50 59 reports and couple of 170 00:08:55,949 --> 00:08:53,709 those are you know some of those are 171 00:08:58,319 --> 00:08:55,959 historic but out of all the reports 172 00:09:01,440 --> 00:08:58,329 there's like seven or eight that are 173 00:09:05,579 --> 00:09:01,450 within a quarter of a mile or less of a 174 00:09:07,620 --> 00:09:05,589 cave or an abandoned town so that'll be 175 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:07,630 road trip time mm-hmm 176 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:10,570 now a couple of places I had to write to 177 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:12,370 because I got a list of the owners of 178 00:09:17,490 --> 00:09:15,730 the properties of course most of them 179 00:09:19,139 --> 00:09:17,500 said hey you're welcome to go look 180 00:09:21,030 --> 00:09:19,149 whatever you're looking for and but 181 00:09:23,130 --> 00:09:21,040 there were four that you know they they 182 00:09:25,530 --> 00:09:23,140 want to sign I have to sign a release in 183 00:09:29,460 --> 00:09:25,540 case I get lost or you know something 184 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:29,470 eats me while I'm in there so I mean I 185 00:09:34,860 --> 00:09:31,180 think that's going to be the next shot 186 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:34,870 at this we're still going to go along 187 00:09:40,170 --> 00:09:38,410 with setting up the cameras the 188 00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:40,180 thermal-imaging cameras are gonna I'm 189 00:09:49,199 --> 00:09:41,680 still think it's going to be my best bet 190 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:49,209 and you know it's you got to watch that 191 00:09:52,290 --> 00:09:50,890 stuff because you know they're a little 192 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:52,300 too expensive to leave sitting out in 193 00:09:55,620 --> 00:09:54,130 the woods and walk away from ya know 194 00:09:58,829 --> 00:09:55,630 unless unless they're really well 195 00:09:59,940 --> 00:09:58,839 concealed so I mean that's where we're 196 00:10:04,620 --> 00:09:59,950 going to be gone for come 197 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:04,630 spring there's a case in western 198 00:10:09,180 --> 00:10:06,540 Pennsylvania that started out as an 199 00:10:12,930 --> 00:10:09,190 archaeological dig from Penn State 200 00:10:14,460 --> 00:10:12,940 University and just a bunch of weird 201 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:14,470 things happened while the folks were up 202 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:22,110 there Rosetta was just the other side of 203 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:26,800 Clearfield oh and it was actually Indian 204 00:10:33,870 --> 00:10:31,690 an Indian dig site one of the I forget 205 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:33,880 what tribe got ahold of Penn State and 206 00:10:39,390 --> 00:10:36,130 you know they sent a team up but there 207 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:39,400 were weird things happening like lights 208 00:10:43,650 --> 00:10:42,100 in the woods that shouldn't have been 209 00:10:47,430 --> 00:10:43,660 there's no homes or anything around 210 00:10:48,980 --> 00:10:47,440 where the dig site was some of the stuff 211 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:48,990 they dug up shouldn't have been there 212 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:55,440 like that particular area of the state 213 00:11:00,600 --> 00:10:57,970 was not involved in the French and 214 00:11:02,610 --> 00:11:00,610 Indian Wars I mean they were mostly in 215 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:02,620 the south and southwest and west a 216 00:11:07,230 --> 00:11:06,130 pencil Pino in Pennsylvania and you know 217 00:11:08,610 --> 00:11:07,240 they found some stuff that shouldn't 218 00:11:12,660 --> 00:11:08,620 have been there like you know some 219 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:12,670 buttons and you know parts of a rifle of 220 00:11:19,710 --> 00:11:16,750 some type but but they did find they did 221 00:11:22,350 --> 00:11:19,720 find bodies you know bones which they 222 00:11:25,770 --> 00:11:22,360 documented and I I believe if I remember 223 00:11:27,780 --> 00:11:25,780 right they were turned over to the to 224 00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:27,790 the reservation but they were gonna take 225 00:11:34,620 --> 00:11:29,950 him back to which I believe it would 226 00:11:36,150 --> 00:11:34,630 have been Iroquois so you know there's 227 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:36,160 all kind of things happening just weird 228 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:39,970 stuff yeah it's it's like it's like it's 229 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:41,530 gonna be one of those years coming up 230 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:45,310 you know like you know we got we got 231 00:11:52,260 --> 00:11:49,270 stuff in southern Pennsylvania and down 232 00:11:54,660 --> 00:11:52,270 around New York County a gentleman that 233 00:11:56,010 --> 00:11:54,670 I investigated us a sight for matter 234 00:12:00,840 --> 00:11:56,020 package right down the road from where 235 00:12:04,410 --> 00:12:00,850 you live of years ago he's having the 236 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:04,420 same issues again we're not during the 237 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:06,280 corn season one the corns up and growing 238 00:12:10,410 --> 00:12:08,890 but after right after the corn season it 239 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:10,420 just seems like he has he's bouncing 240 00:12:13,530 --> 00:12:11,830 white lights all over the cornfield 241 00:12:15,180 --> 00:12:13,540 across from this farm and 242 00:12:17,629 --> 00:12:15,190 not his field his field is in the back 243 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:17,639 of his farm this one's across the road 244 00:12:33,540 --> 00:12:25,410 and rugs down here yeah I'm scaling yeah 245 00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:33,550 interesting and it just it has any its I 246 00:12:38,999 --> 00:12:36,399 was down there twice and I did get to 247 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:39,009 see him once but I don't know what's on 248 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:41,769 the other side of the cornfield so you 249 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:43,440 know it could be lights from a vehicle 250 00:12:47,550 --> 00:12:45,970 it just doesn't seem like that though 251 00:12:50,309 --> 00:12:47,560 because it's not they're not going in a 252 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:50,319 straight line or you know they're kind 253 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:52,089 of like bouncing you might like you 254 00:12:57,569 --> 00:12:55,750 throw a ball and so I want I want to 255 00:12:59,280 --> 00:12:57,579 look at that a little bit harder I want 256 00:13:01,139 --> 00:12:59,290 to get back into Lancaster County and 257 00:13:08,730 --> 00:13:01,149 see if my friends are still at the 258 00:13:13,889 --> 00:13:08,740 chicken coop excuse me and so a lot of 259 00:13:18,319 --> 00:13:13,899 things going on well we've got a couple 260 00:13:23,180 --> 00:13:18,329 questions in the in the chatroom 261 00:13:26,009 --> 00:13:23,190 let's see somebody asked about JC 262 00:13:28,259 --> 00:13:26,019 Johnson who's doing his continuing his 263 00:13:29,970 --> 00:13:28,269 work now well that's just good I don't 264 00:13:32,220 --> 00:13:29,980 know of anybody continued he's working I 265 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:32,230 know I know jack harry has been doing 266 00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:34,810 some of it when he gets a chance to get 267 00:13:38,430 --> 00:13:37,120 down there but then again JC was up in 268 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:38,440 northern Minnesota 269 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:42,790 when he passed and I don't know if Ron 270 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:45,370 Shaw was continuing his work up there or 271 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:48,850 not so that's kind of you know that's 272 00:13:53,819 --> 00:13:50,740 kind of an open question I really don't 273 00:13:55,530 --> 00:13:53,829 know right now I'm really trying to I'm 274 00:13:57,210 --> 00:13:55,540 trying to get a gauge on what's been 275 00:13:59,519 --> 00:13:57,220 going on down in the southeast but 276 00:14:01,319 --> 00:13:59,529 especially down the four corners because 277 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:01,329 like I said I have been getting reports 278 00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:04,930 and I've had people calling me and and 279 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:07,120 giving me ideas and some things have 280 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:09,880 been going on so yeah you know I don't 281 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:12,430 know I don't know I don't I guess you 282 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:15,250 don't know of anybody deep butch no not 283 00:14:18,749 --> 00:14:17,199 in that area but I'll tell you what some 284 00:14:22,410 --> 00:14:18,759 of the best reports came out of that 285 00:14:24,059 --> 00:14:22,420 area oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah there's a 286 00:14:25,679 --> 00:14:24,069 lot going on down there you know that's 287 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:25,689 why I think we need somebody 288 00:14:30,239 --> 00:14:26,769 who 289 00:14:32,579 --> 00:14:30,249 can move around maybe not as well as JC 290 00:14:35,579 --> 00:14:32,589 did because he had you know he had 291 00:14:37,350 --> 00:14:35,589 family there but III you know somebody 292 00:14:39,809 --> 00:14:37,360 who's actually in the area maybe get 293 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:39,819 around so what we're looking into a Jack 294 00:14:45,869 --> 00:14:43,360 Jack Harry is helping me find somebody 295 00:14:49,229 --> 00:14:45,879 whom those in that area so we'll see 296 00:14:51,179 --> 00:14:49,239 what happens what happened what happened 297 00:14:53,729 --> 00:14:51,189 to his what happened to his partner the 298 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:53,739 Indian guy the indigenous guy yeah I 299 00:14:59,789 --> 00:14:56,730 don't know I haven't heard from I 300 00:15:05,189 --> 00:14:59,799 haven't heard from him since JC passed 301 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:05,199 uh III guess he's still around I don't 302 00:15:12,590 --> 00:15:06,910 know I don't know I mean that was a 303 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:19,129 JC's father-in-law so yeah well anyway 304 00:15:25,229 --> 00:15:21,670 here's another question had the Michigan 305 00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:25,239 reports died down well I suppose you're 306 00:15:31,619 --> 00:15:28,600 asking about upright sent and possibly 307 00:15:33,119 --> 00:15:31,629 Bigfoot I I haven't received a whole lot 308 00:15:36,419 --> 00:15:33,129 of Michigan now I know there have been 309 00:15:39,689 --> 00:15:36,429 there were a few wing humanoids humanoid 310 00:15:42,809 --> 00:15:39,699 sightings in Michigan I know Tobias 311 00:15:45,689 --> 00:15:42,819 looked into a few of those well he I 312 00:15:48,929 --> 00:15:45,699 think he reported some of those in his 313 00:15:55,109 --> 00:15:48,939 new book which is the Lake Michigan 314 00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:55,119 Mothman which just came out so I I don't 315 00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:57,519 I don't I don't know much coming out of 316 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:00,399 Michigan do you butch no not in that 317 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:03,970 area huh yeah yeah everything and we're 318 00:16:10,199 --> 00:16:06,309 getting is it's outta Illinois Indiana 319 00:16:13,230 --> 00:16:10,209 and and Wisconsin when the other side of 320 00:16:14,699 --> 00:16:13,240 the lake I mean more recently so you 321 00:16:17,609 --> 00:16:14,709 know of course if I get some I will 322 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:17,619 definitely put it up there and Ross 323 00:16:24,659 --> 00:16:20,649 wants to know if we put any stock into 324 00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:24,669 the crystal skull theory is an 325 00:16:26,850 --> 00:16:26,079 interesting one what do you think about 326 00:16:30,479 --> 00:16:26,860 that butch 327 00:16:32,579 --> 00:16:30,489 well you know there's been a lot of 328 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:32,589 strange happenings around the crystal 329 00:16:40,350 --> 00:16:37,929 skulls the ones that always intrigued me 330 00:16:42,180 --> 00:16:40,360 about the crystal skulls were the ones 331 00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:42,190 you know around the turn of the century 332 00:16:49,410 --> 00:16:46,180 and you know the things that followed 333 00:16:54,540 --> 00:16:49,420 them some things good something's bad 334 00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:54,550 somethings just disastrous but and and 335 00:16:59,730 --> 00:16:57,060 and I don't remember which museum it is 336 00:17:02,340 --> 00:16:59,740 that says they have the original Crystal 337 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:02,350 Skull now you know you can buy the 338 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:04,510 crystal skulls off a bottle of vodka oh 339 00:17:09,210 --> 00:17:07,329 yeah yeah I mean so I mean there's a lot 340 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:09,220 of crystal skulls on you pretty much buy 341 00:17:14,730 --> 00:17:13,030 them anywhere but I would really like to 342 00:17:16,289 --> 00:17:14,740 find more information out on the 343 00:17:19,159 --> 00:17:16,299 original the one that was originally 344 00:17:21,659 --> 00:17:19,169 found and I just can't ever find what 345 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:21,669 museum it went into or if it's even in 346 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:25,390 that museum anymore well no I mean there 347 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:28,150 there was the original one that was 348 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:32,650 found by and his name escapes me now but 349 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:34,210 his daughter had found it because she 350 00:17:42,030 --> 00:17:38,910 was with him and that was back and then 351 00:17:44,190 --> 00:17:42,040 early part of the last century of anyway 352 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:44,200 I don't even know where that one's that 353 00:17:49,650 --> 00:17:46,870 I I don't know it got lost or it's in a 354 00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:49,660 museum somewhere it's part of somebody's 355 00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:53,200 collection or where it's at but the you 356 00:18:00,600 --> 00:17:58,480 know these crystal skulls you know one 357 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:00,610 pops up every once in a while but you 358 00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:03,460 know you got a Wonder book well you know 359 00:18:08,340 --> 00:18:06,220 are these things original or you know 360 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:08,350 are they reproductions or what what's 361 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:10,330 going on you know they're there's a lot 362 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:13,210 of reproductions of this these artifacts 363 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:18,400 down in South America and you know this 364 00:18:25,409 --> 00:18:23,530 this whole crystal skull thing is just I 365 00:18:28,919 --> 00:18:25,419 don't know eight it's just kind of hard 366 00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:28,929 to to figure out maybe I need to get 367 00:18:33,289 --> 00:18:30,580 somebody on the show to talk about it 368 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:33,299 sometime well yeah I mean the 369 00:18:38,909 --> 00:18:35,710 information was very scant to begin with 370 00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:38,919 on the Crystal Skull and and you know 371 00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:42,400 it's been copied and recopied and it's 372 00:18:49,290 --> 00:18:44,830 been in movies and everything else or 373 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:49,300 eons but the original stories of the 374 00:18:53,260 --> 00:18:52,000 Crystal Skull were they were intriguing 375 00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:53,270 because 376 00:19:00,370 --> 00:18:55,070 you know it depended on if the skull 377 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:00,380 basically like you or not you know if it 378 00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:02,210 you know good things could happen to you 379 00:19:08,890 --> 00:19:05,860 if you were in touch with the skull and 380 00:19:10,420 --> 00:19:08,900 then on the other hand really bad things 381 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:10,430 could happen to you the skull didn't 382 00:19:16,810 --> 00:19:13,010 like you they say but you know it makes 383 00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:16,820 you wonder how many artifacts from down 384 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:19,520 south or overseas you know especially in 385 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:21,950 the South you know Southeast Asia and 386 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:24,350 and you know they're finding stuff every 387 00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:25,970 and pretty much every month now they're 388 00:19:32,650 --> 00:19:28,910 finding a new city down in South America 389 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:32,660 yeah Incas and stuff like that but you 390 00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:37,370 know and you know there was a read an 391 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:39,080 article and a long column we've got a 392 00:19:44,650 --> 00:19:41,210 long time ago where there was uh one of 393 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:44,660 the it was originally an Inca city but 394 00:19:48,930 --> 00:19:47,780 it was taken over by another tribe that 395 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:48,940 didn't last long either 396 00:19:58,090 --> 00:19:55,090 but they had a jade snake large Jade and 397 00:19:59,170 --> 00:19:58,100 they said the worst was and you know it 398 00:20:01,210 --> 00:19:59,180 was worth millions and millions and 399 00:20:04,030 --> 00:20:01,220 millions of dollars and it was in a 400 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:04,040 museum in South America for many many 401 00:20:11,980 --> 00:20:06,110 many years I mean was it was found it 402 00:20:15,130 --> 00:20:11,990 was found back in the late 1800s and guy 403 00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:15,140 who was doing a book on it and went 404 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:16,940 review it and take some pictures that 405 00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:18,410 ain't there anymore it hasn't been there 406 00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:22,520 for a long time so again he often wonder 407 00:20:26,770 --> 00:20:24,800 you know how much these collectors pay 408 00:20:28,180 --> 00:20:26,780 for stuff like that and you know they're 409 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:28,190 never going to share it because if they 410 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:29,930 shared they'll you know it's been stolen 411 00:20:38,410 --> 00:20:34,730 or whatever yeah what that make I you 412 00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,420 know I used to talk a lot about the well 413 00:20:42,820 --> 00:20:40,640 you know I used to talk a lot about this 414 00:20:46,090 --> 00:20:42,830 with with Lloyd Pye when he was still 415 00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:46,100 around yeah of course he's the he he was 416 00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:51,200 involved with the the Starchild skull 417 00:21:00,340 --> 00:20:55,360 Wainwright does so many other things and 418 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:00,350 he had had me talked to Brian Forster at 419 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:03,740 one point a Brien Foerster has been down 420 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:10,210 looking at these these elongated skulls 421 00:21:16,270 --> 00:21:12,650 and some of the in trying to figure out 422 00:21:20,110 --> 00:21:16,280 what all that's about for for a long 423 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:20,120 time now I mean you know so I'm I had to 424 00:21:27,730 --> 00:21:22,150 try to get him on the show at some point 425 00:21:32,590 --> 00:21:27,740 he he seems to be the expert in this now 426 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:32,600 and but you know they they seem to be 427 00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:35,920 coming up of all kinds of different 428 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:38,680 archaeological finds as far as you know 429 00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:51,370 anthropological finds these mummies and 430 00:21:57,460 --> 00:21:53,950 such so you know it's pretty remarkable 431 00:21:59,890 --> 00:21:57,470 these mummies they find in the in these 432 00:22:02,830 --> 00:21:59,900 in the mountains of these for the most 433 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:02,840 part they're children but they look like 434 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:04,910 they died yesterday I mean it's Channel 435 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:08,150 yeah well yeah the weather and the 436 00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:12,320 dryness and the cold I do you know who 437 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:14,300 took over the star child investigation 438 00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:16,010 from when they after Lloyd died yeah 439 00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:20,030 when he passed away it was the found it 440 00:22:27,340 --> 00:22:24,500 was actually a foundation who who took 441 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:27,350 it over and it was part of what Lloyd 442 00:22:34,150 --> 00:22:31,730 had started and the gentleman we 443 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:34,160 actually had the gentleman on our radio 444 00:22:39,220 --> 00:22:37,490 on the radio show I don't know if it 445 00:22:41,650 --> 00:22:39,230 would be with beyond the edge or when 446 00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:41,660 women with arcane but I had talked it we 447 00:22:48,820 --> 00:22:45,350 had talked to him and I mean they were 448 00:22:50,290 --> 00:22:48,830 continuing the research but I'll be 449 00:22:53,410 --> 00:22:50,300 honest with you I haven't heard a lot 450 00:22:58,380 --> 00:22:53,420 about it recently yeah so I don't know 451 00:23:03,580 --> 00:22:58,390 if you know I don't know to what extent 452 00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:03,590 that is going to you know when Lloyd was 453 00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:06,070 alive he was I mean he was out there 454 00:23:13,450 --> 00:23:10,310 looking for funding everywhere yeah and 455 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:13,460 you know when he got sick he just you 456 00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:14,810 know just couldn't do it anymore so he 457 00:23:20,050 --> 00:23:17,630 had a he had this you know I guess he 458 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:20,060 had started this foundation and then 459 00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:22,370 took it over so maybe that's something I 460 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:24,470 need to look into and see maybe I get 461 00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:26,690 somebody on there talk about that at 462 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:28,760 this point well you're giving me good 463 00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:32,960 ideas man forget them but that you know 464 00:23:37,030 --> 00:23:34,910 that that really is that's that's that 465 00:23:39,790 --> 00:23:37,040 whole that's really great research that 466 00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:39,800 he was doing I mean there I know there 467 00:23:42,490 --> 00:23:40,760 were a number of people who tried to 468 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:42,500 shoot it down but they lost and he won 469 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:45,950 so that's a good thing 470 00:23:51,670 --> 00:23:48,710 there's way too many hoaxes out there 471 00:23:56,970 --> 00:23:51,680 now so I like I like when they get this 472 00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:56,980 proven or shot down but his his work 473 00:24:02,260 --> 00:24:01,760 just you know well you know here's a 474 00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:02,270 stir 475 00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:03,800 you know noise story is pretty 476 00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:06,920 interesting he was actually he actually 477 00:24:13,890 --> 00:24:10,400 starting out hunting for Bigfoot and and 478 00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:13,900 he was um he was an anthropologist 479 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:17,030 basically and was into some archeology 480 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:19,910 so you know he was actually scientists 481 00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:23,810 but you know when when this this skull 482 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:27,590 was found down in Mexico he he really 483 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:30,610 took upon that took it upon himself to 484 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:34,900 find out what this thing really was so 485 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:37,850 yeah and that's what he did he was he 486 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:40,550 was out he was actually writing books to 487 00:24:47,740 --> 00:24:45,170 fund it and as well he was he was out 488 00:24:55,150 --> 00:24:47,750 there looking for research funds until 489 00:25:01,960 --> 00:24:55,160 the day died quite frankly yeah it just 490 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:01,970 seems like those guys like he was a good 491 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:05,510 guy he really was I mean we had we we 492 00:25:09,490 --> 00:25:07,490 would spend hours talking on the phone I 493 00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:09,500 mean even he was a great guy to talk to 494 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:13,340 it and I I hate him on the show at least 495 00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:16,730 three or four times so yeah you know he 496 00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:19,880 was he was he was pretty good and I do 497 00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:21,980 miss him because we talked about a lot 498 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:25,160 of different things he he actually was a 499 00:25:31,249 --> 00:25:28,610 real big proponent of the panspermia 500 00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:31,259 theory as well 501 00:25:35,239 --> 00:25:33,460 you know he had a lot of different 502 00:25:43,109 --> 00:25:35,249 theories on a lot of different things 503 00:25:47,099 --> 00:25:43,119 mm-hmm well you know I've been watching 504 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:47,109 cattle mutilations to only guns you know 505 00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:48,970 there's a couple of those have popped up 506 00:25:55,469 --> 00:25:53,320 lately yeah I know I know her colleague 507 00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:55,479 out in western Pennsylvania said he had 508 00:26:00,539 --> 00:25:58,720 one but he couldn't he couldn't get any 509 00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:00,549 follow-up out there I wonder what that 510 00:26:04,919 --> 00:26:03,070 was all about you know it's very rare we 511 00:26:07,109 --> 00:26:04,929 get one in the state of Pennsylvania but 512 00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,119 um there's uh you know there's never 513 00:26:14,009 --> 00:26:09,039 been one recorded in Pennsylvania is 514 00:26:16,619 --> 00:26:14,019 that right yep I know there was when I 515 00:26:18,629 --> 00:26:16,629 started doing human mutilations and so 516 00:26:22,129 --> 00:26:18,639 which came from Kavanaugh relations got 517 00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:22,139 me into human mutilations and a 518 00:26:28,289 --> 00:26:26,320 researcher said that the first cattle 519 00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,299 mutilations were in Pennsylvania but 520 00:26:32,849 --> 00:26:29,919 there weren't really cattle mutilations 521 00:26:35,159 --> 00:26:32,859 they were pig mutilations and they gave 522 00:26:38,249 --> 00:26:35,169 enough information that we actually 523 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:38,259 found the pig farm is everything yep and 524 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:45,849 a 300 mutilated pigs was greeted from 525 00:26:52,739 --> 00:26:47,950 the farmer to me as like what the hell 526 00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,749 are you talking about you know so I 527 00:26:55,499 --> 00:26:54,159 after I told the story just look at me 528 00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:55,509 shook his head he says well you want to 529 00:26:57,839 --> 00:26:56,590 go over look at the pig he said they're 530 00:26:59,460 --> 00:26:57,849 over there I would like that all right 531 00:27:02,219 --> 00:26:59,470 I'm out of here 532 00:27:05,369 --> 00:27:02,229 but no I couldn't find one recorded 533 00:27:07,739 --> 00:27:05,379 calculation in Pennsylvania and and now 534 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:07,749 the there's one or two that are popped 535 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,529 up in the state but again there's either 536 00:27:17,339 --> 00:27:14,320 no location or nobody went to view the 537 00:27:20,129 --> 00:27:17,349 carcass no samples were taken you know I 538 00:27:22,349 --> 00:27:20,139 mean all of the silly stuff that we do 539 00:27:25,229 --> 00:27:22,359 to get that information started wasn't 540 00:27:27,749 --> 00:27:25,239 done so you know I take it from the 541 00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:27,759 category of a possible cab mutilation I 542 00:27:32,190 --> 00:27:29,950 put it in on the other side of the 543 00:27:36,719 --> 00:27:32,200 ledger that says like just a great story 544 00:27:40,140 --> 00:27:36,729 you know but and and it's not like 545 00:27:43,299 --> 00:27:40,150 people don't know who to call you know 546 00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:43,309 well I mean if we just take enough time 547 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:45,470 to look forward to find us I mean we're 548 00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:49,490 out there everywhere now yeah so I mean 549 00:27:54,610 --> 00:27:51,710 then if they if they need help they knew 550 00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:54,620 who to call yeah I mean it ain't like 551 00:27:59,049 --> 00:27:57,440 you know I moved off the planet I moved 552 00:28:04,270 --> 00:27:59,059 to I moved to another County I didn't 553 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:04,280 move all right you know and we all been 554 00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:07,850 on the move lately like we're gonna stay 555 00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:11,600 it anyway so you know I had somebody 556 00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:13,640 asked me the other day about Todd sees 557 00:28:19,299 --> 00:28:17,270 in the case and going on there why don't 558 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:19,309 you give us an update you have any new 559 00:28:25,690 --> 00:28:22,250 or hurrying oh we're still we're still 560 00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:25,700 stuck on you know the information we got 561 00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:29,929 from the state trooper you know I'm 562 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:33,740 trying to find some connecting issue 563 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:36,710 with what his troopers reported to him 564 00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:38,210 when they get back to the barracks 565 00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:41,840 and you know anything seen in that 566 00:28:48,730 --> 00:28:43,700 particular area at that particular time 567 00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:48,740 and then you know still trying to locate 568 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:50,780 some family members that seem to like 569 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:54,290 fell off the planet you know and but 570 00:28:58,330 --> 00:28:55,610 that's the way this whole case has been 571 00:29:00,940 --> 00:28:58,340 you know we go we go for a year or two 572 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:00,950 and we don't get anything and then all 573 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:02,330 of a sudden you know somebody sends an 574 00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:04,220 email or somebody contacts me by phone 575 00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:06,920 or in or something like that and then 576 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:08,750 you know we're off and running again so 577 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:11,090 it's just the way it is I mean that case 578 00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:12,260 has always been like that 579 00:29:19,030 --> 00:29:15,980 mm-hmm you know we'll go for you know a 580 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:19,040 long time but not a thing and then all 581 00:29:23,140 --> 00:29:20,570 of a sudden there's there's more 582 00:29:25,270 --> 00:29:23,150 information to follow up on or or or 583 00:29:27,370 --> 00:29:25,280 here's here's something that we didn't 584 00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:27,380 even know of or some person that might 585 00:29:32,169 --> 00:29:29,630 have been at the scene you know when 586 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:32,179 when he was found you know it that's 587 00:29:36,850 --> 00:29:34,090 that stuff that's the part that that 588 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:36,860 this case is just it makes you crazy 589 00:29:40,930 --> 00:29:38,650 because and I look at this case 590 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:40,940 religiously every month I go through 591 00:29:45,460 --> 00:29:44,090 this case oh I mean you know and I'm you 592 00:29:48,430 --> 00:29:45,470 know trying to see if there's anything 593 00:29:51,130 --> 00:29:48,440 that I missed or for God or trying to 594 00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:51,140 make a connection with and I keep coming 595 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:53,350 up just where I'm at right now 596 00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,690 and then you know then I'll get like an 597 00:30:00,180 --> 00:29:57,039 email with some information that I 598 00:30:01,710 --> 00:30:00,190 didn't have any idea about but that 599 00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:01,720 that's the way this case has been it's 600 00:30:06,629 --> 00:30:03,100 always going to be that way too until 601 00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:06,639 the you know till we come up with an 602 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:08,039 answer 603 00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:11,950 yeah and it could be a lot of things you 604 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:13,480 know what else when I wrote the last 605 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:16,210 book you know yeah I put a lot of stuff 606 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:19,870 in there about what you know I found and 607 00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:21,610 what I you know what we've been Greek 608 00:30:30,539 --> 00:30:27,340 finding since then and you know there 609 00:30:34,049 --> 00:30:30,549 there are so many so many questions 610 00:30:39,629 --> 00:30:34,059 about this thing that just I won't say 611 00:30:42,210 --> 00:30:39,639 they haunt me but uh yeah I gotta say I 612 00:30:44,639 --> 00:30:42,220 from the you know I'd say that we 613 00:30:47,879 --> 00:30:44,649 started looking at together after about 614 00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:47,889 a year and a half or two years and we've 615 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:49,750 been working on this together now since 616 00:30:55,049 --> 00:30:53,950 what 2013 I know you've been doing it 617 00:31:01,019 --> 00:30:55,059 longer than that 618 00:31:04,379 --> 00:31:01,029 but yeah I I'm still convinced that this 619 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:04,389 was an actual abduction I really am I 620 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:07,330 mean there's just too much there in my 621 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:09,610 opinion not on how you feel about I 622 00:31:15,379 --> 00:31:11,529 think I know how you feel but I think 623 00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:15,389 that there are just too many unanswered 624 00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:17,700 questions and there are just too many 625 00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:21,460 false facts that have false leads I have 626 00:31:29,009 --> 00:31:25,480 been added to the story - - in an 627 00:31:32,299 --> 00:31:29,019 attempt to cover up the truth which 628 00:31:37,009 --> 00:31:32,309 which you know I agree I mean you know 629 00:31:42,139 --> 00:31:40,019 like you know what you're saying about 630 00:31:45,690 --> 00:31:42,149 the hugging abduction gone bad or 631 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:45,700 somebody had it in foreign or they're 632 00:31:50,970 --> 00:31:48,850 just a lot of things misinformation it 633 00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:50,980 was fed to us by people that were in the 634 00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:53,470 know marner Police Fire Department I 635 00:31:55,169 --> 00:31:54,820 mean everybody that was there and lied 636 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:55,179 to us 637 00:32:01,320 --> 00:31:58,330 mm-hmm only the only thing on that pair 638 00:32:03,539 --> 00:32:01,330 every time I get done and I start to get 639 00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:03,549 a headache i pat myself on the back and 640 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:05,740 I'm so thankful that in the very very 641 00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:06,790 beginning 642 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:09,160 I made sure that everything I got from 643 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:10,810 whoever I talked to or whatever 644 00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:16,710 information I got was in writing yeah 645 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:19,990 email letters photograph I mean 646 00:32:23,550 --> 00:32:21,850 everything I got there's nothing like 647 00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:23,560 coroner can't back out of what he said 648 00:32:29,010 --> 00:32:24,700 to me cuz I got it on his letterhead 649 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:29,020 sure you know just you know phone calls 650 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:32,770 were documented you know that stuff was 651 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:39,490 wrong all right on the money and so I 652 00:32:46,620 --> 00:32:43,090 just want to it's just a couple little 653 00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:46,630 things that bothered me a lot especially 654 00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:51,460 the one with the trooper and and then 655 00:32:56,790 --> 00:32:54,910 we've talked and and you know he he give 656 00:32:59,670 --> 00:32:56,800 us a burning a pretty good rendition of 657 00:33:02,690 --> 00:32:59,680 what his troopers came and told him that 658 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:02,700 the day that had taught the spirit but I 659 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:04,930 got to make some more connections there 660 00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:06,970 because I'm trying to find out if there 661 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:08,920 was if it did happen the way they said 662 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:10,570 it happened there's gonna be a paper 663 00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:15,010 trail and right now I can't get that 664 00:33:20,910 --> 00:33:19,060 paper trail so I'm kind of I I gave him 665 00:33:22,170 --> 00:33:20,920 another month you know to think about it 666 00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,180 and if he doesn't then I'm gonna file a 667 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:25,840 FOIA request and see if it actually 668 00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:28,930 happened the way or if that transpired 669 00:33:34,350 --> 00:33:30,460 to put those troopers in that location 670 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:34,360 that particular night and time and we'll 671 00:33:43,260 --> 00:33:38,290 see yeah it's really all you can do well 672 00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:43,270 yeah and I don't know I you know I keep 673 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:45,520 keep going back and looking at this 674 00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:48,610 thing you know AK you know I keep and 675 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:49,960 every one somewhere else something else 676 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:53,890 will stick out like for instance you 677 00:33:59,100 --> 00:33:56,530 know we've got the witnesses who stated 678 00:34:02,760 --> 00:33:59,110 and hopefully they're they're truthful 679 00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,770 statements of seeing something being 680 00:34:10,169 --> 00:34:05,200 pulled up into this large disc craft up 681 00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:10,179 on them riding the ridge right now when 682 00:34:19,409 --> 00:34:15,160 his body was found or let's put it this 683 00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:19,419 way in the coroner's report his body had 684 00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:21,030 a lot of scratches on 685 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:27,659 mmm-hmm now the wait it seems to me was 686 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:30,250 he was trying I think he was trying to 687 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:32,230 run away from whatever was up there 688 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:36,010 trying to grab him it was a bhima lair 689 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:38,260 maybe there were some entities out there 690 00:34:42,589 --> 00:34:40,690 chasing him around but he got up there 691 00:34:46,169 --> 00:34:42,599 and that brush and got himself tore up 692 00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:46,179 I'm fine sure that's what happened but 693 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:47,950 there's there's there's a there's a 694 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:50,050 there's a little booger boo to that in 695 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:53,530 the autopsy report now being up there 696 00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:54,730 and seeing that land 697 00:35:01,260 --> 00:34:57,940 I mean it's rocky and sharp and you know 698 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:01,270 I I mean it's just you can't walk across 699 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:03,910 there in good hunting boots that hurt 700 00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:07,089 your feet right now he would have had to 701 00:35:13,710 --> 00:35:10,300 run or walk or stagger whatever from the 702 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,720 the ATV which was one mile away to where 703 00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:16,960 the body was found and in the autopsy 704 00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:21,790 report the heels the backs of his heels 705 00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,640 of his white socks were dirty but his 706 00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:27,280 feet and bottom of the socks were 707 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,260 unremarkable which meant they weren't 708 00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:30,640 scratched they weren't cut and neither 709 00:35:38,579 --> 00:35:35,260 were the socks oh well now first if 710 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:38,589 that's the case let's just say he was he 711 00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:39,910 didn't have his heel stuck to the ground 712 00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:43,420 was being dragged exactly yeah 713 00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:46,270 I mean like maybe there was a beam 714 00:35:51,329 --> 00:35:48,040 pulling him or something this old name 715 00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:51,339 of boning yeah could be 716 00:35:58,650 --> 00:35:55,440 you know I even think about that yeah 717 00:36:03,170 --> 00:35:58,660 well you know like I said I I still 718 00:36:09,390 --> 00:36:03,180 believe that he was taken at some point 719 00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:09,400 he was kept for at least I don't know a 720 00:36:16,099 --> 00:36:13,720 day and a half or so wherever they took 721 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:16,109 him because the craft wasn't still there 722 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:19,089 you know they came back with him at some 723 00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,810 point 724 00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,240 and they were walking past the body they 725 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:24,160 were walking past the body location for 726 00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:26,170 almost two days sure I mean that you 727 00:36:30,510 --> 00:36:28,780 know if he was there they had a you know 728 00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:30,520 did a discovered him because it was 729 00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:32,830 right there underneath that tree and 730 00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:35,700 that guy and 731 00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:37,780 people you know all these people were 732 00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:40,780 walking past there every damn day still 733 00:36:48,319 --> 00:36:45,400 away yeah so he got dropped off but 734 00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:48,329 unfortunately got dropped all dead 735 00:36:51,690 --> 00:36:51,310 unfortunately so you know No we'll keep 736 00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:51,700 looking 737 00:37:03,349 --> 00:36:56,920 well I mean you know in the big question 738 00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:03,359 is this is this is this a landmark case 739 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:09,300 to where an actual death occurred Oh 740 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:12,490 during an abduction and the body was 741 00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:17,710 recovered hmm is that could be that what 742 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:20,079 is that what happened is that it Asli 743 00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:21,040 what happened 744 00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:24,190 yeah could be because all indications 745 00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,480 are to me and what I think is when the 746 00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:31,359 body was recovered it was kept away from 747 00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,440 the family from seeing it and we don't 748 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:37,839 even know if the body was even returned 749 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:42,490 to them because it wasn't returned in a 750 00:37:51,210 --> 00:37:48,730 sealed lead casket of some type and they 751 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:51,220 weren't allowed to look at it yeah I I 752 00:37:55,710 --> 00:37:53,170 think most of that though it was the 753 00:38:00,750 --> 00:37:55,720 condition of the body well that may be 754 00:38:04,530 --> 00:38:00,760 either he was he was really into I mean 755 00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:04,540 you know he it was not something you'd 756 00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,800 have an open casket to because they 757 00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,359 wouldn't recognized him anyway I mean 758 00:38:11,010 --> 00:38:09,040 yeah bad the purification the 759 00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:11,020 purification was well advanced what it 760 00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:12,190 should have been that's the other thing 761 00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:15,700 well not only that but you know the the 762 00:38:21,150 --> 00:38:19,119 reason I say that is you know some 763 00:38:24,089 --> 00:38:21,160 people would want to see the body 764 00:38:26,099 --> 00:38:24,099 regardless how bad it is right but they 765 00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:26,109 weren't given an opportunity to do that 766 00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:33,839 no they were told not to look at it yeah 767 00:38:38,339 --> 00:38:36,280 and another thing was when we tried to 768 00:38:41,579 --> 00:38:38,349 pin down who actually found the body 769 00:38:43,650 --> 00:38:41,589 my for different people said that first 770 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,660 it was the Sun then it was the chief of 771 00:38:47,779 --> 00:38:46,000 police then it was the corner and then 772 00:38:51,879 --> 00:38:47,789 it was one of the firemen 773 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:51,889 so which one was it who identified you 774 00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:56,249 yeah I know yeah that's that's a big 775 00:39:01,039 --> 00:38:59,339 question - I mean and another thing why 776 00:39:02,499 --> 00:39:01,049 was the body taking over across the 777 00:39:11,299 --> 00:39:02,509 state 778 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:11,309 downtown yeah you know anyway we got 779 00:39:19,309 --> 00:39:15,089 people asking about the the the winged 780 00:39:22,429 --> 00:39:19,319 humanoid reports III suppose they said 781 00:39:25,579 --> 00:39:22,439 Ross is saying here do I think the large 782 00:39:27,889 --> 00:39:25,589 bat report that you got on the blog can 783 00:39:30,259 --> 00:39:27,899 resolve the winged humanoid reports not 784 00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:30,269 and nothing gonna resolve this for a 785 00:39:35,539 --> 00:39:32,099 while I'm quite sure that that last that 786 00:39:39,759 --> 00:39:35,549 report he's referring to was from 2011 787 00:39:45,799 --> 00:39:42,319 now there was one I got a posted 788 00:39:49,579 --> 00:39:45,809 yesterday for southern Illinois from the 789 00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:49,589 midden the mid-90s now of course these 790 00:39:54,409 --> 00:39:51,630 are new reports these are older reports 791 00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:54,419 and and I do I do want to get older 792 00:39:59,509 --> 00:39:56,339 reports because I'm gonna get a better 793 00:40:01,339 --> 00:39:59,519 idea of what this whole phenomena is so 794 00:40:04,399 --> 00:40:01,349 we you know we do know at this point 795 00:40:07,339 --> 00:40:04,409 that this thing has been seen or these 796 00:40:11,749 --> 00:40:07,349 things have been seen for a quite a long 797 00:40:15,259 --> 00:40:11,759 time now sure but that you know people 798 00:40:17,389 --> 00:40:15,269 over the past eight nine years are 799 00:40:19,399 --> 00:40:17,399 starting to report them to the point 800 00:40:22,489 --> 00:40:19,409 that you know we're getting a whole 801 00:40:25,099 --> 00:40:22,499 swath of them now and now we're getting 802 00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:25,109 the old reports with and I'll be I'll 803 00:40:31,399 --> 00:40:28,619 tell you know I'll tell everybody you 804 00:40:34,279 --> 00:40:31,409 know when we get these reports and for 805 00:40:37,009 --> 00:40:34,289 the most part it's been myself Tobias 806 00:40:42,529 --> 00:40:37,019 and Manuel who have been getting the 807 00:40:45,499 --> 00:40:42,539 reports we before we post anything we 808 00:40:48,469 --> 00:40:45,509 talk to them if they don't want to talk 809 00:40:52,819 --> 00:40:48,479 to us nine times out of ten the reports 810 00:40:54,799 --> 00:40:52,829 not everyone I'm almost we're almost at 811 00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:54,809 the point now that we are requiring 812 00:41:00,649 --> 00:40:57,569 everybody to talk to us to get some 813 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:00,659 different some type of verification and 814 00:41:04,099 --> 00:41:02,130 it's usually 815 00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:04,109 multiple interviews with more than one 816 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:07,230 of us so you know at this point now 817 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:12,089 that's what we need to do you know you 818 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:13,890 know I you know I don't know how far 819 00:41:17,539 --> 00:41:15,450 we're we're gonna get to trying to 820 00:41:20,779 --> 00:41:17,549 figure out what this is you know that 821 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:20,789 report that we got a couple of weeks ago 822 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:25,170 of the the flying being along with the 823 00:41:31,819 --> 00:41:27,450 the gray and and the two humanoid 824 00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:31,829 females I don't know what to even think 825 00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:36,420 about that yet you know I I don't know 826 00:41:42,049 --> 00:41:39,599 you know first thing you gotta ask is is 827 00:41:43,579 --> 00:41:42,059 something similar to that then 828 00:41:46,249 --> 00:41:43,589 associated with some of the other 829 00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:46,259 reports that were received but nobody 830 00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,710 happened to see that happening you know 831 00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:54,240 well you know the fact that we had all 832 00:41:59,890 --> 00:41:56,430 these reports and that report was in 833 00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,900 Rosemont as well you know we've had 834 00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:02,640 we've had five reports in the Rosemont 835 00:42:10,210 --> 00:42:06,329 area up into the airport and this last 836 00:42:16,549 --> 00:42:10,220 one that was actually at O'Hare 837 00:42:17,809 --> 00:42:16,559 you got a wonder what you know what you 838 00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:17,819 know there's a suit there's an 839 00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:21,470 association with these other entities 840 00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:24,329 with the other sightings from I don't 841 00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:25,859 know the fact that we're getting all 842 00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:28,140 these reports in the one area like that 843 00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,880 is pretty interesting to me 844 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:32,160 you know week now we did you know during 845 00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:36,690 the flap back in 2017 we did have areas 846 00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:38,190 of the city where there were multiple 847 00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:42,359 reports and in fact the area little 848 00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:44,220 village area which is something I talked 849 00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:47,369 about many times we had eight reports in 850 00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:51,630 that one neighborhood so you know there 851 00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:53,579 have been certain neighborhoods in the 852 00:42:58,940 --> 00:42:56,099 city and the surrounding area that have 853 00:43:01,880 --> 00:42:58,950 had multiple reports Lincoln Park was 854 00:43:06,289 --> 00:43:01,890 another there were several areas along 855 00:43:11,539 --> 00:43:06,299 the along the lakefront downtown they 856 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:11,549 had sightings some part there was one 857 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:14,089 part of Indiana it had several sightings 858 00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:15,850 actually we sell report 859 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:21,000 of Indiana that had several sightings so 860 00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:23,170 you know that's that's the one thing 861 00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:27,760 we're trying to figure out yeah well and 862 00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:29,590 it's just like you know what you know 863 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:32,140 best practices as you go back backwards 864 00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:34,810 and see what was there before or you 865 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:37,990 know earlier years and I know that 866 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:39,970 surprised me when you know I couldn't do 867 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:41,650 that with UFOs and stuff but when I end 868 00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:43,210 up with the first my people reports and 869 00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,200 I started coming up at the whole these 870 00:43:49,350 --> 00:43:46,480 reports know like what yeah 871 00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:49,360 and same thing with these these winged 872 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:51,640 beans I mean if if those reports go back 873 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:54,250 you know before you you know you started 874 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:56,050 to get them again there's a reason for 875 00:44:00,480 --> 00:43:57,690 that 876 00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:00,490 yeah well you know in these reports 877 00:44:10,530 --> 00:44:04,660 I put the 94th report up there on the 878 00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:10,540 map today Wow 94 but these reports are 879 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:13,480 all between 2011 and to the present time 880 00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:17,170 and it reports of beings before that 881 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:21,880 don't even go up on the map and I've had 882 00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:26,530 at least she would at least two dozen 883 00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:31,150 reports previous to that group you know 884 00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:32,920 now some of those sightings earlier 885 00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:34,360 societies could have been other type of 886 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:37,750 winged beings there Illinois's with no 887 00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:40,330 well known for thunder burbs terrace or 888 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:47,380 Light Beings other wing anomalies so you 889 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:51,490 know I don't know you know but yeah that 890 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:54,490 put the 94th setting up a day I've got 891 00:45:00,690 --> 00:44:57,610 four more that we're looking into 892 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:00,700 I think Tobias got one recently that 893 00:45:08,660 --> 00:45:03,570 he's waiting to get more information on 894 00:45:13,410 --> 00:45:08,670 so that makes five right now hmm yeah 895 00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:13,420 it's not yeah hey that's nuts that whole 896 00:45:18,330 --> 00:45:16,060 thing up there is just it's unbelievable 897 00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:18,340 you know you can understand one or two 898 00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:20,950 or five reports but you know 94 oh my 899 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:25,560 god yeah I mean and you know III 900 00:45:29,130 --> 00:45:28,090 understand I mean I do realize I'm 901 00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:29,140 actually 902 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:32,049 putting ads out soliciting people to 903 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:35,049 open up and come forward you know that I 904 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:36,910 am doing it I knew it Tobias has been 905 00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:40,089 doing it and but you know it's not like 906 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:44,950 we're just soliciting reports you know 907 00:45:52,339 --> 00:45:48,730 we do follow up on them and we do put 908 00:45:56,819 --> 00:45:52,349 the witnesses through some pretty strict 909 00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:56,829 interview and you know we don't want we 910 00:46:01,650 --> 00:45:59,170 don't want some type of hoax or 911 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:01,660 something that you know we have we have 912 00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:03,250 tried to avoid all that from the very 913 00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,660 beginning there have been some right 914 00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:07,359 where it's early that I never even put 915 00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:11,140 up in the map you know I I just ignored 916 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:15,670 and you know because either either the 917 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:19,170 witness wouldn't talk to us directly or 918 00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:23,200 the story changed oil mm-hmm there have 919 00:46:28,170 --> 00:46:26,380 been many yeah well with the by people 920 00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,180 only happened one time yeah you know 921 00:46:32,279 --> 00:46:30,640 we're right where we are I got one that 922 00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,289 got the story and it was a good story we 923 00:46:36,809 --> 00:46:34,240 traveled up to that area a long travel 924 00:46:39,529 --> 00:46:36,819 trip and we got there it was totally 925 00:46:42,859 --> 00:46:39,539 different story totally different 926 00:46:44,759 --> 00:46:42,869 scenario to a totally different area 927 00:46:48,509 --> 00:46:44,769 things that we're supposed to be there 928 00:46:50,249 --> 00:46:48,519 weren't there all kinds of excuses I 929 00:46:52,859 --> 00:46:50,259 mean you know it was just a waste of 930 00:46:57,450 --> 00:46:52,869 time but I called it for what it was 931 00:46:59,880 --> 00:46:57,460 yeah you know oh we got a question here 932 00:47:05,779 --> 00:46:59,890 has MUFON made any changes for the 933 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:08,999 well I see king I see King answered the 934 00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:17,650 question properly you know I had talked 935 00:47:25,049 --> 00:47:21,190 about this countless times I always I 936 00:47:28,799 --> 00:47:25,059 and invariably I get somebody who will 937 00:47:31,950 --> 00:47:28,809 contact me about something that it 938 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:31,960 always involves an entity a possible 939 00:47:36,539 --> 00:47:34,930 non-terrestrial and the first thing 940 00:47:38,970 --> 00:47:36,549 they'll tell me is well move on would 941 00:47:41,069 --> 00:47:38,980 answer me wouldn't talk to me you know 942 00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:41,079 we did have a we did have a winged 943 00:47:46,769 --> 00:47:42,700 humanoid report 944 00:47:49,259 --> 00:47:46,779 in Rosemont from about a month and five 945 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:49,269 weeks ago that was originally ported to 946 00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:53,410 MUFON and the field investigator went 947 00:48:01,019 --> 00:47:58,319 out there and pissed off the witness and 948 00:48:06,539 --> 00:48:01,029 the witness told them to pounce and and 949 00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:06,549 then came to us that happens that 950 00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:08,440 happens a lot people it really does 951 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:12,190 unfortunately but then again fortunately 952 00:48:20,489 --> 00:48:15,730 for us we get it you know we get 953 00:48:22,890 --> 00:48:20,499 criticized for it but you know not that 954 00:48:26,370 --> 00:48:22,900 I care but that's the way it goes you 955 00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:26,380 know we're out there putting the time 956 00:48:35,069 --> 00:48:29,819 and the effort in defining the truth and 957 00:48:37,229 --> 00:48:35,079 I you know but you you used to be with 958 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:37,239 MUFON used to be used to be a field 959 00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:40,450 investigator there aren't many more of 960 00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:44,200 them around anymore no you know I did my 961 00:48:50,099 --> 00:48:47,049 times field investigator star team guy 962 00:48:55,739 --> 00:48:50,109 and chief investigator for the state and 963 00:48:58,940 --> 00:48:55,749 I just I had enough that was it no so so 964 00:49:00,930 --> 00:48:58,950 hold on it's a whole lot easier when you 965 00:49:06,059 --> 00:49:00,940 you know you're working with like-minded 966 00:49:10,109 --> 00:49:06,069 people and you know there's there's no 967 00:49:12,089 --> 00:49:10,119 hunt for fortune and glory so well 968 00:49:15,299 --> 00:49:12,099 that's what I like about our group 969 00:49:18,569 --> 00:49:15,309 because we do have a good group of 970 00:49:20,849 --> 00:49:18,579 people in this our phantoms of monster 971 00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:20,859 fortune research who like you said are 972 00:49:31,099 --> 00:49:26,319 like-minded who who are out to find some 973 00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:31,109 answers without the glory and you know 974 00:49:36,089 --> 00:49:34,630 sure we're get publicity and I get 975 00:49:37,950 --> 00:49:36,099 people tell me all the time 976 00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:37,960 oh you're doing it doing the blog and 977 00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:40,329 this and that for publicity now that 978 00:49:48,989 --> 00:49:44,609 just comes with the hard work right so 979 00:49:50,370 --> 00:49:48,999 you know if if I figured a way to 980 00:49:53,789 --> 00:49:50,380 capitalize on it 981 00:49:55,739 --> 00:49:53,799 well I sure haven't found it because it 982 00:49:56,430 --> 00:49:55,749 ain't out there I'm not out there a 983 00:49:59,130 --> 00:49:56,440 little team 984 00:50:04,460 --> 00:49:59,140 shoes and stuff trying to capitalize off 985 00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:04,470 of that you know that's just not me 986 00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,260 well you know I see I just one of the 987 00:50:11,309 --> 00:50:10,000 things that bothers me is I can't figure 988 00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,319 out who some of these people do all 989 00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:13,119 these investigations and write all this 990 00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:15,480 stuff up and do all these speeches and 991 00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:18,190 appearances and stuff like that once 992 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:19,569 they find time to actually do the 993 00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:22,810 investigation where I just did and if 994 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:24,310 somebody tells me they they can do an 995 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:26,650 investigation and you know they get this 996 00:50:30,569 --> 00:50:28,930 they can figure it out in a week that's 997 00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:30,579 just that's just a lot of bull 998 00:50:37,710 --> 00:50:34,240 yeah I mean I I've I have so many files 999 00:50:40,020 --> 00:50:37,720 in my library that you know that go back 1000 00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:40,030 in you know early 2000s and before that 1001 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:42,599 in nineteen you know in nineteen 1002 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:46,810 nineteen eighty-nine on up and you know 1003 00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:49,810 I never solved them I'm gonna put a lot 1004 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:51,550 of work into them there's a big file but 1005 00:50:59,490 --> 00:50:56,170 I never came up with an answer but I 1006 00:51:02,040 --> 00:50:59,500 look at this way I tried yeah you know 1007 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:02,050 and I know I know some people are gonna 1008 00:51:07,859 --> 00:51:05,290 listen to this this year tonight on the 1009 00:51:09,329 --> 00:51:07,869 podcast and they're gonna get upset by 1010 00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,339 some of the stuff we've been talking 1011 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:11,680 about but you know that's just the way 1012 00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:15,930 it is I mean you know I don't do this - 1013 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:20,800 satisfied our Gator 's egos are what 1014 00:51:25,260 --> 00:51:22,089 they you know what they think is right 1015 00:51:27,870 --> 00:51:25,270 and wrong I just try to get you know my 1016 00:51:30,809 --> 00:51:27,880 commitments to the clients or someone or 1017 00:51:34,579 --> 00:51:30,819 through the witnesses their anonymity is 1018 00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,589 important to me we try to work together 1019 00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:37,599 to try to find answers about what is 1020 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:41,710 actually going on regardless of where it 1021 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:45,490 ends up and you know I'm not out there 1022 00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:48,130 doing it for anybody else's satisfaction 1023 00:51:53,309 --> 00:51:51,369 other than for the witnesses for the 1024 00:51:54,809 --> 00:51:53,319 team itself and that's it that's just 1025 00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:54,819 the way it hats the way I make it all a 1026 00:51:59,790 --> 00:51:58,210 bit well that's pretty much the way it 1027 00:52:05,940 --> 00:51:59,800 is where our guys yeah I mean it 1028 00:52:07,530 --> 00:52:05,950 everybody you know it's it's tough when 1029 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:07,540 you're doing it by yourself and you have 1030 00:52:10,350 --> 00:52:08,530 no connections 1031 00:52:12,930 --> 00:52:10,360 and I knew that I did that in a very 1032 00:52:16,650 --> 00:52:12,940 very beginning starting in the 80s and 1033 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:16,660 late 80s and it got me nowhere no yeah 1034 00:52:22,290 --> 00:52:19,090 and then you know as I started to you 1035 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:22,300 know meet people know people read more 1036 00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:24,850 study more research more you know then 1037 00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:27,660 and you know that kind of sets your path 1038 00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:31,420 so I know there's a lot of look there's 1039 00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:32,920 a lot of good investigators out there 1040 00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:35,950 and it really is and then there's some 1041 00:52:45,090 --> 00:52:41,470 that are not so really good but you know 1042 00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,100 it's it's nice that you have you know a 1043 00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:46,960 fellowship that you can I can make a 1044 00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,940 phone call to something that I made a 1045 00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:50,800 read about California that I had in 1046 00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:53,350 Pennsylvania mm-hmm and number I have a 1047 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:54,640 number of people I can call and get that 1048 00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:56,770 information from how many times have I 1049 00:53:01,080 --> 00:52:58,450 asked you if you knew somebody on a 1050 00:53:01,650 --> 00:53:01,090 certain case sure it happens all the 1051 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:01,660 time 1052 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:03,940 I mean yeah you know we're always 1053 00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:06,250 digging looking digging and looking for 1054 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:08,110 people that'll give us some information 1055 00:53:15,420 --> 00:53:11,650 that tries help us and in a case and you 1056 00:53:17,250 --> 00:53:15,430 know I think the frost is there to the 1057 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:17,260 point where you can go out and do that 1058 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:19,810 now or we can go out and do that now and 1059 00:53:24,690 --> 00:53:22,050 yeah it's some honest answers 1060 00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:24,700 and that's why I want to keep building 1061 00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:28,510 our team to the point where you know if 1062 00:53:32,670 --> 00:53:31,120 something if somebody has to beat have 1063 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:32,680 put the boots on the ground and go out 1064 00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:35,530 there and actually look at it then we 1065 00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,780 can do that yeah and I think we've got a 1066 00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:42,160 pretty good start I think we're doing 1067 00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:44,560 pretty good right now we're what did I 1068 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:48,640 say 16 17 people yeah yeah something 1069 00:53:55,950 --> 00:53:50,410 like that but you know we're still 1070 00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:55,960 expanding and I you know I think I think 1071 00:54:00,480 --> 00:53:58,000 things are getting much better and boy 1072 00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:00,490 but I know I know the reports have been 1073 00:54:06,780 --> 00:54:05,680 rolling in so that's what we're here but 1074 00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:06,790 I don't know if it's gonna get to the 1075 00:54:14,190 --> 00:54:09,670 point well I'm gonna have to learn I 1076 00:54:16,050 --> 00:54:14,200 need to start learning to start putting 1077 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:16,060 some reports out there for others to 1078 00:54:22,260 --> 00:54:18,850 look into so because I try to do a lot 1079 00:54:24,810 --> 00:54:22,270 of myself and I get caught up in it 1080 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:24,820 and just you know it's hard to it's hard 1081 00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:27,010 to keep track sometimes I'll open my 1082 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:29,980 email up and I'll sit some mornings and 1083 00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:33,610 I've got 1215 reports in there and it's 1084 00:54:37,230 --> 00:54:35,350 like oh my god here I'm gonna be on the 1085 00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:37,240 phone all day before I even get the blog 1086 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:40,240 back you know yeah it worked kind of 1087 00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:42,730 works out that way a lot yeah yeah well 1088 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:47,140 you know that you know it is so you know 1089 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:49,330 okay it's gonna get to the point where 1090 00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:51,730 we're gonna have to have something some 1091 00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:53,710 kind of central location or some kind of 1092 00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:55,140 hookup where we can talk to each other 1093 00:55:04,530 --> 00:55:00,640 I'm not thrilled about Skype at the time 1094 00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:04,540 you lose everything on skype yeah I will 1095 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:06,040 figure something that you know we got to 1096 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:09,130 do it in a conference thing or surround 1097 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:11,010 cable or something yeah 1098 00:55:15,330 --> 00:55:13,450 well you know I was thinking I was 1099 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:15,340 thinking today I need to get it I 1100 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:18,370 actually need to get a website for the 1101 00:55:29,850 --> 00:55:25,230 everybody's information there that's on 1102 00:55:32,670 --> 00:55:29,860 the team all the contacts stuff and you 1103 00:55:35,130 --> 00:55:32,680 know instead of just doing it 1104 00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:35,140 willy-nilly on the on the blog you know 1105 00:55:42,450 --> 00:55:39,820 I need that I need to do it yeah yeah 1106 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:42,460 you could password-protected yeah 1107 00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:45,310 absolutely has me that's no big deal 1108 00:55:52,890 --> 00:55:50,400 oh yeah so there's more projects you do 1109 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:52,900 there's something else just something 1110 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:54,730 else I just promised myself into doing 1111 00:56:00,540 --> 00:55:57,370 and I got to find time to do but you 1112 00:56:02,190 --> 00:56:00,550 know that's the way it goes BAM and if I 1113 00:56:05,010 --> 00:56:02,200 didn't love doing this I wouldn't do it 1114 00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:05,020 and you know it's just you know it keeps 1115 00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:09,400 his old man busy I feel the same way we 1116 00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:15,550 get no younger man okay well butch I 1117 00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:17,020 want to thank you for coming on with me 1118 00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:21,430 tonight and you know these I like when 1119 00:56:26,010 --> 00:56:23,110 we had these kind of talks on the air it 1120 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:26,020 kind of lets people get an idea where 1121 00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:29,890 we're at and what we're doing and you 1122 00:56:33,810 --> 00:56:32,080 know the let then we're just real people 1123 00:56:35,950 --> 00:56:33,820 and a lot we do have a lot of 1124 00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:35,960 investigators and researchers enlisted 1125 00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:41,440 show let then hey we're just like them 1126 00:56:47,050 --> 00:56:44,920 well always a pleasure you know that 1127 00:56:50,050 --> 00:56:47,060 anytime you need me you know how to get 1128 00:56:56,740 --> 00:56:50,060 me oh you take care you have a good 1129 00:56:58,450 --> 00:56:56,750 weekend 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